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When a mom isn't.


My mom goes from being sweet and loving to being unloving and abusive... and it can happen at the drop of a hat.  I simply can't trust her... I wish I would remember that.  And here she goes again,


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Dear Nathan,


I want you to know before I say what I want to say in this letter, that I love you more than you can know!  And I know more than you can know!  And I know the Lord loves you more than I could ever imagine.  In so very many ways your heart is so good and so kind, who could not Love you?



You care for others and you go out of your way to help others.  I have So missed the fellowship in the Lord that we use to have more than you could ever know. And if being kind and doing good works could get you to heaven, you for sure would make it.  But it won't be enough.  Only true repentance and the washing with the blood of Jesus will do.



This is one of the most difficult letters I have ever written and I do so with hope in my heart that you somehow will understand and somehow believe that I have your best interest at heart.



I have been letting God deal with my heart over my own sins and really wanting to get to that place of total surrender to Him.   Through many times of weeping before the Lord, He has led me to put Him first, even above my children.  Jesus said that I would even have to hate my own life also to be His disciple.  There really is no other way to please Him.



You know that I really believe that you need to repent, and that your Soul is in danger of going to hell if you die in your sins.  I know that I know that I know this in my heart of hearts, as well as the scriptures speaking of those who walk in the flesh and not in the Spirit.   I know because I backslide when I learned of your lifestyle.  I began to question God and went through my own hell over all of this.  But when Justin died, God opened my eyes to my foolishness and gave me an opportunity to repent and to turn back to Him.  Which I am eternally grateful to Jesus for, because many never have that opportunity to repent and end up in hell forever.



Justin is in heaven, because God let him come back to life and pray the sinners prayer! I know this and God has confirmed to me many times, that Justin is with Him.



So I have learned the fear of God even more than in the past, and I am Not going away from Him ever again by His grace and mercy!  And I am Reading the word, of which you profess to believe and it says that if I love Jesus I will obey His commands.  It also says that I can not love my children more than I love Him.  So I must obey Him and put Him first in all things.



Here is the hard part that I must do.  And I believe that in obeying Him in this, that there will still be hope for you.



I have compromised because of you in the past, but I have repented.  I can't compromise anymore.



I compromised because I was angry at God over what you went through and how it affected you. God has shown me how foolish that was, and has truly granted me a gift of repentance.  And here is what the word says that I must do:



1Cr 5:11 But now I have written  unto you not to keep company, if any Man that is called a brother  be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a  drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.



If you were just living in sin and not professing to be a Christian then I would not be required to do this.  But you are living in fornication and now your even going to become a minister, so that puts me in a position to either ignore this command or obey it.



This is where I have to draw the line.  Until you come to yourself and realize the REAL spiritual danger you are in every day you live in your sin, and truly repent, I will not be able to fellowship with you or to even eat with you.  I can't go out to eat with you when you come to town.



I can't invite you to anymore family gatherings.  This is harder for me than you will ever know.



I know many in my own family won't understand this, and may be offended at me and hate me.  But I only care what Jesus thinks and what He wants, because I know He misses your fellowship too!


Our fellowship can be restored upon your true repentance and walking Away from your sin.  I truly long for that time more than you could ever know!!!  Any time you want to find your way back to the truth, I will be there to help you.



And I can tell you my flesh does not want to obey this, but my spirit knows that there is no other way, especially if there is any hope for you at all.




I know this will maybe make you hate me and make you infuriated with me. You will think me such a hypocrite and you will want to lash out at me.



You are in a lot of deception, and according to the word only God can Help you at this point.  I will not hold anything against you that you do or say to me.  I love you, I love you, I love you.  I want you to make it to heaven!



You are in fornication which is clearly a sin in the word of God.  You would be better off to not try to bring God into you sinful lifestyle son.  It's just a very bad thing to do spiritually.



I love you and pray for you son.  I will never stop praying for you!!!


Love,


Mom



Please wait until you are not so angry before you write me or call me ok.  I really do love you!



Dear Heavenly Father,


I ask that You would grant Nathan the gift of repentance.  I ask that You would show him that he is being deceived and in danger spiritually.  I pray that he will have his eyes opened to see and that his ears would Be open to hear, and that he would be given a heart to understand the Truth and be able to turn to You and turn from his sin of rebellion.  I ask for mercy for his soul and to be filled with hope that You can help him. 


In Jesus mighty name.


Amen




I have counted the cost of obeying Gods word, what I have to endure, is just what will be.  I have counted Him worthy of all my obedience and love.


 


 



-- Edited by nateblack at 10:34, 2006-05-03

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my response....
 
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I am your son.
 
I love you.
 
Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to Love God and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. 
 
You think what you're doing is prompted by love, but it is not.  It is prompted by hysteria and fear.  You should be ashamed of yourself for acting so unlovingly and ungraciously.
 
You do not have permission to disinvite me from family events.  They are my family too.
 
Do you really think a loving God is going to call you to be abusive?  I don't think so.  I certainly don't believe in that kind of God.
 
What did Jesus say we had to do to have eternal life?
Luke 18:25--28
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"  "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"  He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
 
You can choose to believe as Jesus taught and LOVE God or you can choose to fear the God who made you because you think that doing so will give you a ticket to escape hell.
 
You're taking the easy road.
 
What is love?
1 Cor. 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  Love never fails.
 
Their is a vast difference between your words and what love actually is.
 
I will see you at the reunion.  Please be prepared to be gracious and kind.
 
I love you.
Nathan

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Nathan, I'm sorry.  That must be very difficult.  Still I'm not sure calling your mom a whore is the most loving response.

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CaliPK wrote:


Nathan, I'm sorry.  That must be very difficult.  Still I'm not sure calling your mom a whore is the most loving response.


You're right.



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Nathan,


I'm so sorry that your mom said that stuff, and even sorrier that she believes that stuff!  Maybe someday she'll come to understand.


In the meantime, I consider you one of my own.  Come to Houston anytime you need a Mom!  Or a Dad too!  We love you, no matter what!



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Okay...Lets see here...


If you robbed a convenience store, she would visit you every day in prison...


If you raped a woman, she would be at your trial...


If you killed someone in cold blood, she would be there at your execution with tears rolling down her face...


But because you love another man instead of a woman...she "can't" let you come to the family reunion? THAT'S CRAZY!!!


Dear Nate's mom,


STOP IT! Look at yourself! The book of Romans says that the love of God is what leads us to repentance. Now does what you are doing to your son by throwing him out of your life seem like the love of God? NO! Even if being gay was a sin, do you think that treating your son like this is going to make him "see the light"...or make him CLING to the "darkness" even MORE?


What you are doing to your son is NOT witnessing...it's MANIPULATION! You know full well that he can show up at that reunion claiming to have been "cured" of his homosexuality, and maybe even have a woman on his arm and everything...and STILL be gay, have a gay lover, and live a "double life". He will claim to have "changed his ways" and yet still be a "sodomite" in his heart.


And it is THERE that any changes are made...in the heart. And they can't be done by THREATS...they can only be done by the Spirit of God. And if the Holy Spirit doesn't change him in that way and make him straight...then you need to take this matter up with Him and not try to SCARE you boy into the arms of a woman. He has told you that if he COULD change, he would have done it a long time ago...both for you and for God.


We ALL would have! Can't you see? WE CAN'T CHANGE! We have tried for YEARS, and we are still gay! I LOVE the Lord, the bible, my family, my church...and I would change in a HEARTBEAT if I could. I AM A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN AND I AM GAY! But I can't. I have prayed and prayed and the answer from heaven is still just silence. So if I go to hell because of being gay, it is GOD'S FAULT AND NOT MINE!


Be a mom and love your son...that is NEVER a "betrayal" of faith.


Jeffrey



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Okay, I confess - I do still look at GCN.  Can't post, but still look.  And I just saw this quote there that really spoke to me:


"Idolatry is committed not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils."


~ G.K. Chesterton

Nathan, it kind of reminded me of people like your mom!



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Nathan,


I am truly sorry about you and your mother.  My mother and I are so estranged that I only talk to her because I have to, not because I want to.  My mother can be nice one moment, skip over being unloving and abusive and right to psycho mom.  In order to stop me from being gay, she lashed out at my first boyfriend; she tracked him down, slashed his tires, smashed his windows and threatened his life and forced him to break up with me.  I was 18 then.  Now I am 30 and she no longer is able to do that. 


I feel your frustration, I really do.


Steve



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It's hard. Praying for you and your mother.

Hope you two can find common ground.
Dad did the same thing to me--I love you but you can't live here anymore. *sighs*

*hugs*
Darrel

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I must admit the only Gays I knew of were on TV. Going to the Baptist Church where they are so against gays also made me think "boy if I had one in my family, out he'd go" ... Well guess what - when my garndson, Alan, came out and told his Mom and Dad they were afraid to tell me. When they did I just said "oh really , so ok.." I loved Alan before I knew and I love him just as much now. He has a wonderful partner whom I love as if he were my own grandson also. My God is a God of love .. He loves me and he loves all who call upon his Son, Jesus, to save them.. My kids come every Tuesday night to my apartment and we eat and then play games or just sit and talk. We have a barrel of fun. I met alot of his friends at a Thanksgiving dinner at MamLisa's and they were all a bunch of great kids. I can call them kids 'cause I'm pushing 80. So next time your in Houston - call -  and we'll have a big get together. PapaBear and MamaLisa will welcome one and all and I'll be there to get my hugs.


Mammaws



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Precious Heavenly Father,


I ask you to be with both Nathan and his mom, tonight. Lord, it breaks my heart so much to see this. I wish that there was something that I could do for both of them, but I can't. So I am turning to you in prayer. Help reconcile these two children of yours. Show Nathan's mom that it isn't evil to be gay. Show Nathan that his mom is under attack by the enemy who is using hurt and hate (as always) to do mislead her. I know that down deep in her heart she really does love Nathan...it's just that she is afraid of losing your love, which is IMPOSSIBLE, for accepting her baby boy for who and what he is. Show her the truth. Let her eyes be opened by your unconditional love for both of them. Bless this family, and make it stronger than it was before. For in Jesus' name, I pray. Amen.


If you are reading this, Nathan's mom, ask yourself this question:


If only gay people can't be Christian...then why is your son even BOTHERING with wanting to be a preacher? It don't pay good money...there is plenty of heartbreak...the work hours are 24/7...the devil is after you non-stop...his ministry won't be as big as those like on TV...and there stands a very good chance that your son will be KILLED for his work against prejudice like yours...


Unless his heart has been changed to a greater calling. No unsaved person has THAT.



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Nate,


I am praying for God to speak directly to your mom's heart. I just kills me that people,especially parents can be so cold and judgemental of others. Your response was very good. Don't let this rob you of your joy. You know that God loves you and so do a lot of people here at TSA, including this family.


I am reminded of my newest favorite scripture. Mathew 7 1-5


1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


Maybe she should be reminded of this.


Mammaws, probably doesn't remember that you were one of those people that was here at Thanksgiving. We will have a get togethet soon.


Teddy



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Nathan,


I am sorry your Mom has responded to you in such a manner.  I know firsthand the pain that you are experiencing.  My parents won't talk to me or even acknowledge my birthday.  I know the hurt in your heart, but I also know that even with the pain, you can live a happy and fulfilled life.  Keep walking with the Lord and continue to serve Him as he directs.  He has great plans for you and will bless you abundantly!!!


Thanks Mama and Papa for the support that you give to those of us that have been turned away from our own families.  You will never know what that support means to those of us without accepting parents. 


 



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