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Has anyone studied why the Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah?  I've recently begun studying various religions because I think all religions are worthy of study.  I knew the Jews never accepted Jesus as the messiah, but I never knew the reasons as to why.  Has anyone else studied this?

I copied and pasted some things from a website as to why the Jews to believe Jesus is the messiah:

  1. The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37.
  2. The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.
  3. The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)
  4. The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
  5. The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
  6. The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of God is God (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
  7. The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't.
  8. The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24). Many of the ten lost tribes remain lost.
  9. The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28). It hasn't been rebuilt.
  10. There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30). People starve to death every day.
  11. After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8). People die every day.
  12. Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);
  13. The nations of the earth will help the Jews, materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12;
  14. The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23);
  15. All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12);
  16. The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15)
  17. Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12);
  18. Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13);
  19. The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been wrong, that the Jews have been right, and that the sins of the Gentile nations, their persecutions and the murders they committed, have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53)

The above is taken from:
http://whatjewsbelieve.org/

There is this one too, but I haven't had time to thoroughly look through it:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsandjesus.htm#3

Thoughts?

Steve



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Hmm...  This is really interesting.  I used to work with a local Rabbi occasionally, when I worked for Lutheran Campus Ministry at IU.  Just based on what I've heard her say, what we call the Bible is only a very small part of the religious writings of Judaism, and I don't think they view scripture (whether or not it's a part of our Bible) as the literal Word of God.

So it's strange that all of the evidence of why Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah comes only from the Christian Bible.

Either way, most Christians agree Jesus isn't exactly the Messiah that anyone back then was expecting, so it's understandable that there are many ancient messianic(sp?)-prophetic scriptures that seem to conflict with the life and teachings of Jesus.

Does anyone find it troubling that there is so much prophecy written in the Christian Bible that seems to go against Jesus being the Messiah?

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The reason why so many Jews back then didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah was because the "Messiah" that they were expecting would be like the Maccabeeans routing out the Greek invaders, or like King David fighting against the Philistines. They were expecting a "warrior-like" Messiah...not a Suffering Savior that would die for their sins. The prophecies that talk of a fighting Messiah will not be fulfilled until the "Second Coming" when Christ returns at the battle of Armageddon.

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Apparently quite a number of Jews theorize that there are two messiahs, who will be twin brothers - The 1st who fulfils the suffering servant scriptures and is killed, while the 2nd reigns on the throne of David.

On a similar subject, an interesting verse is John 5: Ver. 43.
"I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not; if another shall come in his own name, him will ye receive."

The one who comes in his own name appears to be the man of sin/anti-christ. Which would imply that the Jews accept him as messiah, until the abomination of desolation is put in the temple, and then they finally accept Jesus around the same time as the battle of Armageddon (unfortunately a lot of Christians don't seem to be aware that the Jews accept Jesus is one of the requirements for His return. Which to me, makes any so called Christians who supported the holocaust even more disgusting).

Something that's less obvious about the verse, is when it says "another shall come", in the Greek it's implied "another" of the same kind as Jesus, which would seem to imply that the anti-christ is at least part Jewish (and from other verses, presumably also part Assyrian).
Although I think it's both interesting and worthwhile knowing, I personally disagree with all the people trying to guess who the anti-christ might be, since things are usually far different from what you expect (I think Jesus/Yeshua's first coming demonstrates that well).

Anyway I hope that'll be useful to someone, some how, and sorry for going off topic

-- Edited by Cyrus on Friday 16th of July 2010 04:10:30 PM

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